From underdogs to national champions
Binghamton becomes first New York university to win the National Debate Tournament

April 8, 2025, was a historic day for the Binghamton Speech and Debate team. For the first time in its history, and the first time a New York-based university has accomplished the feat, 抖阴短视频 took home the trophy for the 79th National Debate Tournament (NDT).
The most prestigious national debate championship in the U.S., this honor was decided after a 3-2 decision against the University of Kansas. This win follows a 2024 win at the Cross-Examination Debate Association (CEDA) Nationals.
Joe Schatz, the director of 抖阴短视频鈥檚 speech and debate program, said that the victory would never have been possible without dedication from the students, despite many having unusual backgrounds.
鈥淭his win proves that just because some students don鈥檛 qualify for a scholarship or transfer in later in their debate careers doesn鈥檛 mean that they don鈥檛 have what it takes to become national champions. It鈥檚 not all about the university resources and what you鈥檝e done in high school,鈥 he said. 鈥淭he ability for a team like that to grow and see that they have a shot to succeed sets us up to be a very different program.鈥
While CEDA Nationals is considered the 鈥減eople鈥檚 tournament鈥 by debaters because it is open to anyone 鈥 and thus a bit friendlier 鈥 the NDT is a much more cutthroat competition.
Just qualifying for the tournament is a trial upon itself. Many people enter college with qualification as a goal for their senior year. The first time Binghamton did so was in 2005; that year, it was also hosted at Gonzaga University, in Spokane, Wash., the same location this year鈥檚 trophy was won.
鈥淪chools can only send, at most, three teams. You鈥檙e only competing against top teams and their second-best,鈥 Schatz said. 鈥淎t NDT, people are there for the sole purpose of winning. This award on the national debate stage captures a lot more reputation and clout.鈥
Once they do make the competition, though, the work isn鈥檛 done. While the hope is that debate will coincide with the types of research that students are interested in, teams prepare with additional scholarship by dedicating to two-hour-a-week meetings with a coach and a three-hour-a-week squad meeting, at minimum.
Many of the highest performing teams, however, can put up to 30-40 hours per week into doing research independently, meeting with coaches and doing practice debates, says Schatz. Eli Turner- Louis and Jeremiah Cohn, whose work secured the NDT trophy, fall into this latter category.
The final debate topic this year concerned decarbonizing the United States through a market-based instrument. Affirmatives generally argue on a carbon tax or removing subsidies on fossil fuels 鈥 different ways to help green the environment.
But Binghamton, and Turner- Louis, like to do things a little differently.
鈥淎 big part of my strategies are not evidentiary in a traditional sense at all, but more personal narrative,鈥 she said. 鈥淚鈥檝e gone through struggle, and I鈥檝e done that work; Binghamton has allowed me to start incorporating the readings and theory. But I think by using real experience, it breaks the form a little bit for other debaters.鈥
In the final round, Binghamton argued the negative; Kansas鈥 case involved instituting a luxury tax on carbon, which means amenities like heating and electricity wouldn鈥檛 be taxed, but private jetliner trips 鈥 luxury items 鈥 would be.
Binghamton鈥檚 ultimate win was secured when the team pushed back on the objective discussion and the opposing teams鈥 biases and subjectivities: Turner- Louis suggested that because of the disparity between Kansas鈥 higher resource pool and status, judges should vote for Binghamton 鈥 as a luxury tax on Kansas.
鈥淲hen we approach teams that rely on the objective data and science and call them out with 鈥榃hy is this important for you to research?鈥 and they give a generic answer, it鈥檚 clear they haven鈥檛 thought about how the education that they鈥檙e getting from debate is going to help do anything real,鈥 Schatz said. 鈥淭hey鈥檙e researching the topic because that鈥檚 the topic, not because they鈥檙e necessarily personally invested.鈥
Many of Turner- Louis鈥 arguments reflect her ideas about race, gender and intersectionality. She first got into debate as a student at Brooklyn Technical High School, where she began to develop this technique. Then, after not receiving admission to her dream school, Rutgers University 鈥 where she hoped to attend due to its history of black 鈥減erformance鈥 debate 鈥 she went to Mercy College and stepped away from her passion.
Eventually, though, she chose to transfer to Binghamton because of its affordability, and she quickly returned to speech and debate.
鈥淲hen I first came here, one of my goals was for Binghamton, as a state school, to be considered at the same echelon of private universities that have that access funding,鈥 she added. 鈥淚 knew how debate could be a form of survival for a lot of students of marginal communities, and I wanted to help make it accessible.鈥
Turner- Louis, who is now a senior Africana studies major, has already received graduate assistant offers to coach debate at graduate schools. This would continue a tradition she鈥檚 already established: she regularly meets with novices and JV team members to help develop their arguments, and she also coaches a high school team which recently won a Harvard tournament.
While the victories are nice, Turner- Louis said that being a coach has helped her grow, and that she鈥檚 been happy to share her knowledge with the next generation.
鈥淭hese kids have all these ideas, but I can help clean it up,鈥 Turner- Louis said. 鈥淚鈥檝e seen the growth of their characters, too, and that鈥檚 really what makes it worth it. I want these black and brown students to see they have a chance to achieve the best.鈥